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When you only get 600 words, you're bound to be misunderstood

Published Wednesday, March 18, 2009 in

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I always hope my Washington Times column will garner some attention, but not necessarily the kind I got today! The current column on the new White House Council on Women and Girls has been quoted and posted on several blogs, along with choice words about my intellect (or lack thereof) by people who variously think I am a typical manbasher and a woman-hater, all at once.

I suppose if I had more than 600 words for a column, I’d have been able to make myself more clear, but I don’t suppose I’d have received a different sort of response. I guess the reality is that mine is just an unpopular opinion, at least in certain circles.

When the president announced his new council on women and girls, I basically rolled my eyes. I think this new advisory group is only meant to placate the far left feminist movement – not to be confused with people like me who ardently support full equality for women, but not the cultural neutering of men. My point was that the agenda of this new council is tired and predictable, largely because the issues it seeks to address can and should be the concern of both women and men.

In fact, my point was that many of the issues could be resolved with the resurgence of manhood. Real manhood. Responsible manhood.

Which brings me to the snarky emails I received today from men who think I’m a manbasher. I’m not! And I don’t think men are the root cause of all women’s problems (I give radical feminism a fare share of the blame!). Whining aside (not a great way to argue your manhood, btw), I wasn’t even addressing the guys who mean well and work hard to do the right things, but are unfairly treated by a “biased system.” (Those emails were obviously from guys who went through nasty divorces, so I get their sensitivity).

No, those aren’t the men I was talking about in my column.

Rather, I was referring, for example, to at least some of the men responsible for today’s startling new statistic: Fully 40 percent of America’s babies now are born to unwed mothers. Subtract the women in their 30’s and 40’s with money and maternal instincts but no prospects for marriage who choose to build a family on their own, and you still have a whole lot of women who must bear the burden of responsibility for young families without the benefits of marriage (and yes, there are benefits – countless!).

I was also referring to the men who make scads of money selling porn to other men and boys, as well as the men who exploit children by hyper-sexualizing our public airwaves with commercials, TV shows, and song lyrics that objectify and disrespect women.

Generally, I was referring to men who conveniently use and abuse women, or at least fail to live responsibily, because the culture permits it, even though the culture that permits it includes women who’ve a. convinced them they’re useless to women and b. participate willfully in their own abuse.

Ah, but now I’m getting defensive, and in so doing, I’m breaking the cardinal rule of column-writing: Quit explaining yourself and have a glass of wine.

I said what I said and that’s that. If I had more space, perhaps I’d have been more convincing. Or maybe not. And I’m a lot of things, but I’d like to think I’m not an idiot. So there.


Comments
By Karen Rinehart @ Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:04 PM
Marybeth: 10
People Who Don't Get It: 0

By week's end you will have approximately 2000 points :) Keep up the EXCELLENT work!

By Paul @ Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:25 AM
The Council On Men and Boys was the subject of my video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq75iccYEVQ

Hope you enjoy. :-)

By Slamdunk @ Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:39 PM
I was not familiar with your writing until I saw someone else complaining about your article on men. Fortunately, I google'd you and read some of your other work and formed my own opinion--the criticism was unfair and you explain yourself further in the latest blog post.

Well at least, any publicity is good publicity right? Keep up the good work.

By duncan macleod @ Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:27 PM
as a victim on DV ( still have the scars to prove it ) the sarcasim aside ( which didnt work on that post im afraid ) your article came over really really badly men and women are violent , as far as DV goes this has been on record since the 70s ( erin prizzy etc and as recent as the last month in the uk ) you painted men as the violent agressors when research showed many of the women who commit this crime do so because they take for granted the inaction of the man , for someone who said you are middle ground the use of terms like man up are offensive , women instigate the majority of divorces and has been shown are implicit in a large percentage of children not seeing dads ., problems in society are the fault of all the talk is of male arrogance and denying responsibility feminism has rightfully given more rights to women but like many men they arent rising to the responsibility that comes with it.

By On the Sidelines, where it is peaceful @ Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:24 PM
So you understand where I'm speaking from, I am an early 40s male, work hard in my profession, volunteer in my free time to help others, and do not own any video games. I have, in the last year, given up on getting married or dating, and now put all my energy into other areas.

With respect to your post, there is a chicken-and-egg problem here.

I am not interested in trying to perform cultural forensics in order to determine who is originally at fault, but both sexes are very guilty of much bad behavior.


Men use women, men lie to women for sex. Men remain juvenile and single, play video games and don't seek to start families.

Women go for these types of men. Ergo, the men ARE leading. Women reward this behavior with physical intimacy.

It is a mistake to think that no leading is going on. They are just not leading in a direction that you or I like.

These men enjoy independence, sex when they want it, and no commitments at all. And the women accept this situation.

They may complain about it, but they still date these men.

When women desire excitement and challenge, these men will provide it.

There are a lot of very stable men available, but we are often neither exciting or challenging. Often we are very average looking as well.

If women do not desire that, it is certainly their choice. If I am not 'their type', then I will accept their rejection with as much dignity as I can muster.

But when I hear women complain that there are no Real Men left, I tire of this.

What they are really saying is why are there no bad boys who aren't too bad, but actually have a heart of gold that I will be the exact woman to bring that out in them? And also they need a prestigious career, looks, and money.

They are free to roll the dice and see if they can net one of the extremely few guys that meet that criteria, but most will not find that guy.

In the meantime, many woman will continue to pursue (and thusly reward) bad but exciting men, while trying to change them into good men.

Isn't it interesting though, that so few of them will pursue a nice guy and try to change him into a more exciting guy?

The women have voted on what they value, and the men are supplying it.

So what is the problem then?

By dbb @ Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:04 AM
you hit the nail on the head "on the sidelines." something tells me that marybeth would agree.

By indie @ Monday, March 23, 2009 12:00 PM
Ignore them, Mary Beth. Your 600 words spoke volumes, and I was glad someone finally said it. The nauseating press was falling all over themselves to promote the new Women's Council, while all of them failed to mention that Valerie Jarrett is no friend to women. Indeed, she is one of Chicago's most notorius slumlords, right up there with Rezko. And I will not celebrate a woman like Jarrett being anywhere near anything to help women. She made millions from her slumlord ventures, and guess who most of her tenants were? Women and children.

Obama's little council is nothing but another gigantic pander to the so called feminists who care more about their political position in Washington than they do about actually advocating for women.

By soap box @ Monday, March 23, 2009 5:15 PM
I'm a mid 40's woman and will admit I had much confussion in my 20's and 30's over my role as woman. Families (women) have been given so much misinformation in the last several decades, it's no wonder we are where were at. We need people who are willing to think deeply and who have good morales to speak out.
You've come a long way baby!? I don't think so.

By David @ Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:49 PM
Ok now that I read Marybeth's follow up blog post, I am less angry about the WT column. It seems we all want to create stable families raising the next generation where both women and men are empowered. An ill conceived gender war is in nobody's interest. (such a war doesn't even make sense from a Darwinian perspective for God's sake).

However the way to re-create stable families cannot be accomplished by the state wagging its fingers at people so that they marry. No amount of white hose comissions, press briefings, and billboards can bring back stable marriages. What are needed are tangible legislative reforms that make marriage relevant and desirable for men again. Under current post-1970 no fault laws, marriage is a toothless institution.

Looking from the eyes of a young man whose girlfriend just got knocked up, what would you do if you were in his shoes? Two lawful options come to mind (assuming this guys isn't an immoral deadbeat):

1. Stay single, but be involved part-time in the child's life, and lawfully pay child support.

2. Get married to your knocked up girlfriend. Perhaps you may be fulltime dad if things work out; however if things don't work out, then you are oblived to everything in option #1 above PLUS 2a) Pay alimony to your now ex so she can spend it with her new bad boy boyfriend, who has now lived in with her after the courts removed you from your own home 2b) Keep paying for the mortgage of the house, that you can no longer live in. Lose any existing ownership/equity you have put into that house over the years. 2c) Lose your car. 2d) Lose half or more of your lifelong savings/assets.

Ok as a young man would you pick option #1 or option #2. If divorce statistics are to be believed, you are going to be unilaterally turned into a part time dad whether you like it or not (thanks to no-fault laws, also known as unilateral-laws). At least option #1 is much, much, much cheaper.

This is the conscious rational decision that young men are making today. This is where your 40% out of wedlock birth numbers are coming from.

If our slow slide into becoming a bastard-nation are to be reversed, we need legal reform, not finger-waiving.

By Art Deco @ Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:31 PM
You were not misunderstood. Your column revealed what is latent in your thinking.

<p><i>Which brings me to the snarky emails I received today from men who think I’m a manbasher. I’m not! And I don’t think men are the root cause of all women’s problems (I give radical feminism a fare share of the blame!). </i></p>

<p>The ilk of Catherine McKinnon and Andrea Dworkin are rather thin on the ground on college faculties and scarcely ever encountered in mundane life. They do their share to add their poisons to the <i>kultursmog</i>, but their primary effect is to distort and disfigure academic life more than it otherwise would be. Their efforts are rather remote from the domestic problems people face. For the most part, they are too crankish for ordinary people to take seriously.</p>

<p>You might consider that a share of the blame be placed not with the Tenured Radical on the Wesleyan faculty, but with ordinary women maladministering their ordinary lives</p>.

<p><i>Whining aside (not a great way to argue your manhood, btw), </i></p>

<p>Rhetorical games are unattractive. Answer the criticisms.</p>

<p><i>Rather, I was referring, for example, to at least some of the men responsible for today’s startling new statistic: Fully 40 percent of America’s babies now are born to unwed mothers. <i></p>

<p>Regrettable as that state of affairs is, it does not come about without the cooperation of the distaff side and cannot be resolved by unilateral adjustments in the disposition and behavior of the male population. Men and women are a dyad and their incilinations and behaviours influence each other mutually. The female population does not conduct itself as it did in 1958 and the pathway for a man who enters into a shotgun marriage (even if she agrees to it) is considerably more treacherous than it once was.</p>

<p><i>I was also referring to the men who make scads of money selling porn to other men and boys, as well as the men who exploit children by hyper-sexualizing our public airwaves with commercials, TV shows, and song lyrics that objectify and disrespect women.</i></p>.

<p>Nice try. The number of men employed in the commercial sex trade is a tiny and demographically unimportant minority.</p>

<p><i>Generally, I was referring to men who conveniently use and abuse women, or at least fail to live responsibily, because the culture permits it, even though the culture that permits it includes women who’ve a. convinced them they’re useless to women and b. participate willfully in their own abuse.</i> </p>

<p>There is a large quantum of behavior that would have been below minimum standards fifty years ago. Yes, this is socially sanctioned. What you do not say is that women are full and willing participants in this activity. You made specific reference to infidelity and divorce in your original column. Outside of the small population of bisexual men and the clientele of this nation's prostitutes (equally small at any given time, though apprehending a much larger fraction over time given the temporal variability of its composition) there is of necessity a one-to-one correspondence in the frequency of adultery among men and women. Also, a comfortable majority of divorces are initiated by wives who are usually doing so for reasons of consumer preference. I am sure the husbands of such women will find your admonitions to 'man up' most inspiring.</p>

<p>Among the problems we face in this country in the realm of human relations is that aspect of girl culture which incorporates a chronic inability to assess personal responsibility. Such is not universal, but it is all too common. I will wager that your critics ('whiners' if you prefer) understand you as part of the problem.</p>

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